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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: New Basket Reply with quote

Saw this on DGCR

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41202

I can't figure out how to post the image

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15947&d=1313166788



Guys, just so all of you know, there are three of us that created the Vortex. Of those three I'm the only spin putter. Kevin and Kyle both push putt (which some of you are saying our basket rejects more without having tried it). So I find it a little interesting that two push putters DESIGNED the product, yet some of you still doubt. So, I'd like to explain what we've done with the basket and why, to hopefully clear up all this controversy and leave it up to you guys to make your putts.

First we'll start with the outer set. On current baskets the outer set of chains hangs directly from the chain rack, down to a small ring around the center pole. This set of chains tends to be more tense than you expect and will often kick putts off to the side or bounce them back out of the basket. With the Vortex, we've added a few links to each outer chain, and elevated the ring they connect to, to create a droop in the outer chains. This aids in grabbing putts that are a little low left/right because there are now chains filling a hole in the current target area. The droop in our outer chains also makes them much less tense than those on any other basket; this allows us to have 20 outer chains (more than any other basket on the market), while aiding both spin putters and push putters alike. For spin putters, the decrease in tension allows their putts to penetrate the outer chains and become trapped in the envelope between the inner an outer chains. In the case of push putters, we feel we've actually done what Steady Ed intended with the first basket, just better. Our outer chains have such a small amount of tension (this does not mean weight, they still have stopping power) that even the softest of push putts become slightly wrapped in them and then drop straight down into the basket as the chain returns to its drooping position. So yes, the Vortex may technically aid spin putters more than push putters, but it helps both of them more than any other basket.

The inner chains of the Vortex, as many of you have seen, are very different from any other basket. There were a few goals with the inner set of chains... the first is obvious: spit outs off the pole. You can look at any basket other than the Vortex and see definite gaps (all the way through the basket) between the inner and outer chains. You can hit a medium power putt that passes the outer chains, hits the inner chains, then hits the pole and flips vertical and passes out of the basket. That isn't fair and it takes away from the fun of the game. It's not like you did a full wind-up for your putt. Or you could be a top pro like Paul McBeth at the 2011 BSF and hit a beautiful 50'+ putt out of a pine tree, only to have it dribble out the back of the basket, potentially costing cash for something that wasn't your fault. With the Vortex we've removed all of those gaps from play, essentially preventing spit outs. There is not a gap large enough in our basket to spit through. Also, because the inner chains on the Vortex are interconnected this helps to disperse the force of a putt around the whole network, instead of just a few chains... a flaw of current baskets. In addition, the inner set of chains does not have the amount of tension that people think it does. It IS more tense than the outer set on the Vortex, but still less tense than the outer chains on any other basket. The tension is very similar to current inner chains.

The above mentioned changes are just what we've done to the functionality of the basket. We also took into account basket aesthetics, as well as the longevity of your putters/discs.

If you look at the cage of any basket out there right now, you'll notice that all the spokes are welded to the middle of the sleeve, leaving an inch or two of metal around the pole that your putter can lose chunks of plastic on as it dives into the basket. With the Vortex we've welded our spokes directly to the top of the sleeve so that there are no more sharp edges to hit anywhere in the basket. We also removed the nubs of the basket for that same reason, in addition to our belief that a basket without them is more true to the roots of golf. If you miss a putt wide in ball golf, your ball can easily roll around the rim of the cup and out. If you putt wide on our basket, you can skip off the rim more easily and further than a basket with nubs. We acknowledge this, and designed the basket that way. Our chains catch better, so we reward the player for hitting the target area, not for being "close enough" and getting caught up on the rim.

Because we believe in our chain design we have also taken 2cm out of the diameter of our basket. This gives the Vortex a more sleek, cylindrical look than any other basket, and puts more pressure on the player to hit the target area.

And that's what we want: players making putts. The Vortex should make the game more competitive and force players of every level to up their mental game, knowing if they HAVE to hit the target area, because anyone else who does will gain a stroke if the player doesn't. This will also aid you on any course that doesn't have Vortex baskets because you'll be putting at the center mass of the target area more often. All in all, you'll see them out there on courses soon and we really hope you reserve some judgement for the first time you actually play on one. But in the meantime, like Kevin said, we're here to answer any questions you may still have... but I also hope I cleared a few things up.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: New Basket Reply with quote

Thumber wrote:

I can't figure out how to post the image


Got you covered...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though it seems they realize that.

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Hey guys,

The difference between Standard and Championship, is that standard cannot be used in NT's or Major's, but can be used in A-Tier events. We are currently tweaking a few measurements on our cage so that the Vortex will meet championship caliber standards when we go in to full scale production at the end of the month. Right now our holes are slightly too large because of the recent change to the rule of a disc wedging into the basket from the outside. The PDGA wants smaller gaps so we don't even have to worry about it anymore.

More media from worlds will be released on our website and Facebook page this week. And I'm happy to answer any more questions about our design that any of you may have, now that we're patent pending. As for the grammatical errors that were pointed out earlier... we're changing the game and making it much more competitive, and have done something that no one else could. I think that's more than makes up for a misspelling here and there.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a good catcher.....made out of aluminum though....would that be lighter than a regular one perhaps?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andros wrote:
Looks like a good catcher.....made out of aluminum though....would that be lighter than a regular one perhaps?


They market that as a feature. Easier to change pin placement. (The chains are steel). I wonder how it holds up to vandalism and other abuse.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pros warming up on one at worlds


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh, those guys don't miss on the crappy baskets.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andros wrote:
Looks like a good catcher.....made out of aluminum though....would that be lighter than a regular one perhaps?


Aluminum has a higher stiffness to weight ratio. So yes lighter. Think aluminum bike frames vs steel. Makes for a good portable basket I would say.
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